@geothinkca Welcome all to our #geothink chat, hosted by @cheryldpower on #IntellectualProperty, #copyright, and #geodata! Thanks for joining us!
@cheryldpower Good evening everyone, Cheryl speaking – Let’s hear from the audience who is out there tonight? #geothink #cheryldpower
@mappingmashups Today on #geowebchat we’re joining a chat organized by @geothinkca. Use the hashtag #geothink instead! #geowebchat will be back in 2 weeks.
@re_sieber Can we copyright a geodataset? My understanding is no in US; yes in Canada #geothink
@notgregorypeck #geothink hello all. looking frwrd to discussion with @cheryldpower
@mappingmashups @cheryldpower Hi Cheryl. I work at @stamen making maps with #opendata/#openstreetmap. Also doing a PhD at UBC. #geothink
@AmrEldib @cheryldpower hey, Cheryl. I’m Amr in Vancouver, and wanted to hear all about @geothinkca and #geothink
@cheryldpower @re_sieber #geothink See feist *US
@mappingmashups @cheryldpower I also run #geowebchat… hoping the regular #geoweb audience joins this #geothink chat.
@AmrEldib @re_sieber wouldn’t think be like copyrighting an API which is the topic of dispute between Oracle and Google #geothink
@mappingmashups @cheryldpower We’ve done a few #geowebchats about #opendata. Check out our transcripts after this #geothink chat: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/
@re_sieber .@cheryldpower I know ab Feist, although it leaves copyright door open for more complicated db structures #geothink
@mhaklay Will it be interesting to explore ODBl opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/
for this #geothink discussion?
@JamesLMilner Tuning in to #geothink ; not to hot on IP and copyright but know a little about open source licenses
@cheryldpower @re_sieber #geothink Science technology and IP & Innovation for 10 years !!
@re_sieber @AmrEldib Here’s EFF on copyright case ab copyrighting APIs eff.org/press/releases…
@cheryldpower @re_sieber #geothink Is it an original selection of data discuss?
@notgregorypeck #geothink can you copyright dataset – according 2 interview with David Fewer, hving a dbase isn’t enough for copyright in CanPost case
@re_sieber Also hot in Canada, copyright case of Canada post v @geolytica cbc.ca/news/technolog…
@notgregorypeck #geothink intrview with David Fewer – one essential ingrdient for copyright: skill of judgement in selection and arrangement of data
@TenilleEBrown @notgregorypeck Do you have a link for that interview Peck? #geothink
@re_sieber .@notgregorypeck Big diff btwn Canada & US in terms of “sweat of brow” vv copyright #geothink
@re_sieber .@notgregorypeck In Canada, you can count some “sweat of brow” as well as creativity in asserting copyright #geothink
@JamesLMilner ODBI license looks solid but could be more clear about commercial use as per tldrlegal.com
is about Apache 2.0, MIT etc #geothink
@geothinkca @TenilleEBrown Here is the link to the #Geothink newsletter, the interview is on page 12!
@cheryldpower Have you been exposed to any type of licensing in association with your research project? #geothink #cheryldpower
@notgregorypeck #geothink CIPPIC, in Geolytica case, are arguing about that disctntion on ‘sweat of brow’. not easy to determine when everything is sftwre
@geothinkca @TenilleEBrown geothink.ca/geothink-newsl…
@mappingmashups @JamesLMilner Yes, #ODbL was meant to clear up a lot of the commercial use cases for #OSM, but many think it’s still not obvious. #geothink
@cheryldpower @JamesLMilner #geothink Do you have a link?
@ClausRinner Re @re_sieber : What do people think/know about postcodes in OpenStreetMap? Seems a great platform to collect them systematically. #geothink
@cheryldpower @mhaklay #geothink Do you have specific questions? Have you experience with the license?
@re_sieber Copyright in geospatial realm draws on precedence of both pictures (maps), easier to copyright, v. data, difficult to copyright #geothink
@JamesLMilner @mappingmashups interesting. Just read this article about #ODbL issues openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/d…
@mhaklay @cheryldpower No, I don’t have any specific question. Just noticed that it created a lot of noise from different directions! #geothink
@re_sieber .@ClausRinner @geolytica case show us Canada Post asserts copyright over 6 digit postal codes, regardless of collection platform #geothink
@cheryldpower @re_sieber #geothink Tele-Direct v. American Business Information, need original intellectual creation
@re_sieber .@ClausRinner What can be done legally in US vv copyright can’t nec be done legally in Canada. Prob for intl platform lk #OSM #geothink
@mhaklay @cheryldpower e.g. lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/lega…
#geothink vs osmfoundation.org/wiki/License
@re_sieber .@cheryldpower Tele-Direct case still asserted that min degree of skill in arrangement is protected by copyright under Canada law #geothink
@mappingmashups @ClausRinner @re_sieber Related to postal codes in #OSM is the openaddresses.io project which is a parallel database w/out #ODbL #geothink
@re_sieber .@cheryldpower’s mention of Feist, Tele-Direct highlights that geospatial db law derives from phonebooks #geothink
@TenilleEBrown @JamesLMilner Its aimed at the user of the software? So aimed at informing public what they are able to do with said data-set? #geothink
@re_sieber Welcome @geolytica, to our twitterchat discussion of geospatial data & copyright #geothink
@cheryldpower Do you think there should be any type of IP protection on forms of data for example databases ? #geothink #cheryldpower
@re_sieber .@geolytica has personal experience w the assertion of copyright in Canada vv geospatial data #geothink
@nixzusehen @JamesLMilner spatiallaw.com/Uploads/ODbL_a…
@mhaklay @cheryldpower maybe IP protection help in securing privacy & control. e.g. indigenous groups geodata – might deter biotech abuse? #geothink
@re_sieber Advertisement: #geothink researches copyright, IP and licenses regarding geoweb (also social justice, particip..). Partners inc CIPPIC, OSM.
@geolytica @re_sieber I recently gave a talk at the state of the map on this topic. #geothink My slides are here: geocoder.ca/onetimedownloa…
@geothinkca @mhaklay Are you referring to biotech companies patenting traditional knowledge? #geothink
@TenilleEBrown @mhaklay @cheryldpower yes to biotech use. As well as abuse of the areas of traditionally owned land #geothink
@mhaklay @geothinkca for example. Beyond biotech, other companies using information about specific plants/resources etc. ? Not sure though! #geothink
@re_sieber .@mhaklay any insight into why UK didn’t go after OSM vv crown copyright violations compared to Canada? #geothink @geolytica
@JamesLMilner further reading implies that ODbL is very patchy indeed; big issues re: when “share-alike” provisions apply spatiallaw.com/Uploads/ODbL_a…
@re_sieber .@cheryldpower I’d argue that crowdsourced datasets should give IP protections to contributors, including Yelp, fb, TripAdvisor #geothink
@mhaklay @re_sieber @geolytica which violations? OSM community in the UK was vocal to new members about copyright in the early days #geothink
@mhaklay @JamesLMilner this study is funded to support MapBox view of the ODBl issue, so take it with a pinch of salt … #geothink
@re_sieber .@mhaklay ownership not just ab copying. CanadaPost asserting tm over “postal code” o.canada.com/business/canad…
@cheryldpower .@mhaklay #geothink I view the IP & privacy issues through different lens with IP potentially granting exclusive rights in a form of data
@mhaklay @re_sieber @geolytica not yet, because ‘postcodes’ and addresses are a completely messy issue in the UK because of the Royal Mail #geothink
@mhaklay @re_sieber @geolytica see alpha.openaddressesuk.org
as a way to overcome it #geothink
@cheryldpower How do we provide incentives for the open sharing of data? #geothink #cheryldpower
@re_sieber As sidebar to @cheryldpower, a justif for “sweat of brow” inclusion in crown copyright is to protect investment of creator,inc gov #geothink
@mhaklay I wonder if there is any value in studying the discourse at OSM legal talk about lay concepts? lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/lega…
@notgregorypeck .@cheryldpower #geothink probly need alternative revenue streams – open you data, but need that data to feed into use of other services
@re_sieber @mhaklay “studying the discourse at OSM legal talk about lay concepts” sounds like a potential whitepaper to me for #geothink @cheryldpower
@notgregorypeck .@cheryldpower #geothink a Google model for business. provide free service, and tunnel your customers into your other services
@cheryldpower @re_sieber @mhaklay Absolutely we should talk in the days to come #geothink
@geolytica @mhaklay @re_sieber 1M UK addresses, what percentage of the total is that? Our database in Canada currently stands at over 12M. #geothink
@geothinkca @notgregorypeck @cheryldpower Opening data may also crowdsource expensive problem-solving and optimization #geothink
@mhaklay @cheryldpower some ideas from @DrBobBarr about Core Reference Geographies agi.org.uk/storage/events…
@geothinkca Just a few more minutes of this #geothink chat, if you has any more comments! (We’ll return again in the future)
@mhaklay @geolytica @re_sieber en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postcode_…
– 29m addresses #geothink
@re_sieber In future would love to have either #geowebchat or #geothink chat just on licenses.
@geothinkca Thanks evryone 4 joining this #geothink & #geowebchat. Thanks @cheryldpower for hosting. Well be back in th future, stay tuned @geothinkca
@mappingmashups @geothinkca I’ll archive this #geothink chat alongside the other #geowebchats here: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/
Will post in a few days.
@mappingmashups @re_sieber The next #geowebchat is Feb 3rd. Do we want to talk about licenses then? #geothink
@re_sieber .@mappingmashups Great idea #geowebchat. Licenses for geospatial data #geothink
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